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Awdaniec
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Posted - 2005/12/23 : 20:24:36
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Upphittad på rec.Heraldry. Det finns de som har bättre kunskap på område än jag, hoppas de kan svara.
quote: Joseph McMillan 22 Dec 15:35 visa alternativ
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I wonder if I might impose again on our Scandinavian colleagues and others familiar with heraldic practices in the Nordic countries. The American Heraldry Society is assembling information on arms granting/certification/recording procedures in other countries. The purpose is to inform American citizens who may be contemplating seeking grants or recognition of their arms abroad. The following paragraphs are derived from a variety of sources whose reliability I am not sure of. I would appreciate any corrections or relevant additions. Full credit will, of course, be given.
Denmark
In Denmark, arms were formerly granted officially to those who were ennobled by the monarch, but no new nobles have been created in Denmark for over a century. [Is there a place where Americans who believe themselves descended from Danish nobility can prove their claim to use Danish noble arms?] Non-noble arms have always been self-assumed, just as they may be in the United States. Personal arms may be registered in the Danske Herold published by the Danish National Archives. [Is this still the case?] It is unknown whether the Archives will accept registrations from non-Danes. In addition, Danes and persons of Danish extraction may record their arms in the Skandinavisk Vappenrulla (see Sweden).
Finland
Finns are free to adopt arms of their own design without official regulation or restriction. The Suomen Heraldinen Seura (Heraldry Society of Finland) maintains a register of non-noble arms. [Is this open to registration of arms of people of Finnish descent? How much does it cost? Who, if anyone, oversees the use of noble arms?]
Norway
Personal arms are freely assumed in Norway without any official regulation, registration, or protection. Norwegians and persons of Norwegian extraction may record their arms in the Skandinavisk Vappenrulla (see Sweden).
Sweden
The Riddarhuset (House of Nobles, established 1626) regulates the arms of the nobility and publishes them every three years in the Adelskalendern. Under Swedish law, no new nobles can be created, so no new arms are being granted. Arms of the nobility as recorded by the Riddarhuset are protected under Swedish law. Any American who thinks he is entitled to use the arms of a Swedish noble family should approach the Riddarhuset and be prepared to provide rigorous proof of descent.
Other people in Sweden may freely assume arms of their own devising. Several private organizations register such arms, but they are not legally protected in Sweden unless registered as logos under copyright laws:
· Stiftelsen Skandinavisk Vapenrulla (Scandinavian Roll of Arms Foundation) is a private organization that registers inherited non-noble arms and designs and registers new arms, and publishes them in the Skandinavisk Vapenrulla. Its services are available to all persons of Scandinavian origin, whether living in Scandinavia or not. The current registration fee is approximately 4,000 Swedish kronor.
· The Svenska Heraldiska Föreningen (Heraldry Society of Sweden) publishes newly adopted arms free of charge in its magazine Vapenbilden.
Thanks in advance.
Joseph McMillan
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Edited by - Awdaniec on 2005/12/23 20:31:19
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Markku K
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Posted - 2006/01/25 : 16:42:03
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You forgot that there is also the Finnish Riddarhus, House of the Nobility, http://www.riddarhuset.fi/index.php?id=1
it is an official institution or corporation that regulates the arms of those noble families that have been introduced there earlier than 1919. New noble grants of arms are not made, as there is no Emperor - Grand Duke any more. But all the earlier grants of arms and noble titles are still officially recognized by the Finnish Republic.
Suomen Heraldinen Seura - Heraldiska Sällskap i Finland registers arms of all those who are permanently resident in Finland, both Finnish citizrns and foreigners. It also registers arms of Finnish citizens living abroad, but hardly those of non-citizens merely of Finnish design.The registration costs at the moment 40 euros.
Another Finnish register is kept by Collegium Heraldicum Fennicum, which in spite of its name is not a College of Arms, but a kind of guild for heraldic artists, researchers and craftmen of various kind. The CHF register is more like an archive for study, even if the Collegium can give a painted diploma for application. It does not state anything more than that a certain armorial bearing is included in the CHF archives.
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jcb
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Posted - 2006/01/25 : 16:58:22
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Does the Finnish House of Nobility really regulate arms? The Swedish House of Nobility does not have that kind of authority.
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Joseph McMillan
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Posted - 2006/02/23 : 05:09:30
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Thanks very much for the comments and corrections thus far. The guide to international heraldic granting and registration practices is now on the American Heraldry Society website at http://heraldrysociety.us. Further corrections and additions would be most welcome.
I will make a correction to the Finland entry based on Markku K's comments, but to make sure I understand, is it certain that the SHS/HSiF will not register the new arms of people of Finnish ancestry (but who are not Finnish citizens) living abroad? Markku's comment refers to arms of Finnish design, and I want to be sure I have this point correct.
And a question: I have been told that the arms of Swedish nobility recorded in the Riddarhuset enjoy legal protection under Swedish law. Is this correct, and what form does the legal protection take? For instance, would the Riddarhuset or the Swedish state take action against a usurper, or would it be up to the noble family concerned to bring a civil action? Or would some other course of action be pursued? (And do the same rules apply in Finland and elsewhere?)
Excuse my inquisitiveness, but we at AHS want our guide to be as reliable as possible.
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Posted - 2006/02/23 : 05:40:26
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I will not comment on Nordic praxis since there is people more familiar with it. I would like to inform you on status of arms in Macedonia. There is no legal heraldic authority in Macedonia nore register which can be considered as valid. There is none whatsoever protection of arms. IHTH
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Anders S
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Posted - 2006/02/24 : 15:10:05
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Here is a link to the rules of the Finnish Heraldry Society arms register. It is in finnish only, I´m afraid.
http://www.heraldica.fi/Toiminta/Rekisteri/rekisteri.htm
Markku K is correct, though the rules statutes that the Society can "by special reasons" register arms of a non Finnish citizen living abroad. What these special reasons would be, I dont know. I don´t think it´s ever happened.
Anders Segersven Member of the registation committee/SHS/HSiF Keeper of the CHF arms archives
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Joseph McMillan
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Posted - 2006/02/24 : 15:47:15
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Very good; thank you (both). Although, Dr, I just received information the other day that an unofficial arms registry has recently been set up by the Macedonian Heraldry Society; is this incorrect? Not that there are too many Americans of Macedonian ancestry who would be seeking to register arms there...
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